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Judith Proctor ([personal profile] watervole) wrote2009-08-04 02:37 pm
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The Past is Retreating

Have you noticed how the past gets further away every time you get older?

I was reading the programme book for Constitution and Henry Gee remarks that EE 'Doc' Smith wrote his classic Lensman novels eighty years ago.

Now, I know they were old.  I read them in my youth when one of my father's friends left his copy of 'Triplanetary' behind by accident and thus hooked me on the entire series.  I remember being quite surprised to discover that this epic space opera was published many years before Lord of the Rings.  But it wasn't eighty years old, back then!

Incidentally, it's always interesting to see which of the novels of your childhood are still worth reading when you grow up.  Sadly, the Lensmen novels failed the test.  They still had all the space battles, but I couldn't survive more than a chapter of the cardboard characters before I passed the books on to someone else.

Heinlein, on the other hand, passes with flying colours.  His juvenile (YA) novels have held up remarkably well.  Even the weakest (Farmer in the Sky) is just about worth reading to the end, and the best (Citizen of the Galaxy) is still a favourite.  'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' remains my favourite of all his books.  It sits between the period when he was writing young adult novels and when he became obsessed with sex and his own childhood. (All 'Wizard of Ox' and Depression America).
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[identity profile] kalypso-v.livejournal.com 2009-08-04 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you noticed how the past gets further away every time you get older?

I find the opposite: it's getting closer and closer as I get older, because a couple of decades seems such a short span now. When I was a child, the war seemed a very long time ago; now I have begun to see myself as a wartime child, because seventeen years is a trifle, and I keep noticing that I still have habits dictated by the rationing which shaped my mother.

[identity profile] damerell.livejournal.com 2009-08-04 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not quite that bad. The Triplanetary that's part of the Lensman series is '48, expanded from the '34 serialisation (the (autobiographical?) bit during WW2 shows it's not all 30s); First Lensman's 1950; Children of the Lens is 1947. Even the first of them are just over 70 years old. IIRC "The Skylark of Space" is the only EES book over 80 years old.

[identity profile] linda-joyce.livejournal.com 2009-08-04 05:16 pm (UTC)(link)
The Moon is a hard mistress is joint first with me, the other one is Double Star. I still re-read both every couple of years. And The Lenseman series can't be that old, I read them as a child too.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2009-08-04 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
'Double Star' is one of my favourites too. Regularly re-read.

[identity profile] rgemini.livejournal.com 2009-08-04 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
My own feeling is that the older I get, the more connected I feel to the history that has gone before as well as feeling how fortunate I am to live now, here.

I found the Lensman and Skylark of Space series excruciatingly badly written but full of brilliant ideas. I read and re-read them many times but ended up donating them to the local charity fete. Strangely though, I gained a better feeling for the culture that Doc Smith himself came from, as I did from all the Heinlein that I read.

Don't know if you read my post on the funeral of Henry Allingham but one of the points I had in mind is how physical mementos can give a sense of connection with what is now ancient history to most people.

The most neckhair-prickling experience for me was reading the original Parish Register for Kentisbere in Devon. The first enty was dated 1670ish and reading that, holding the register in my hands, really made me feel connected to that time and that place.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2009-08-05 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
I've missed quite a lot of LJ postings while I've been away over the last month and been unable to catch up with them all.

I read the Lensman novels at least twice - like you, I loved the ideas and the vast scope of them. It's only with more experience that I demand writing skills as well.

Heinlein's culture giveaway is 'To Sail Beyond the Sunset'. It's the last book of his that I read in full, it was very poor in comparison to his earlier books.

[identity profile] veronica-milvus.livejournal.com 2009-08-04 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Glad you met Henry. He's an old buddy of mine from student days. Turned into a proper sci-fi geek since then. He has also played accordion for a Morris side, been in several rock bands, and written books, both learned and um.... less so.

[identity profile] jthijsen.livejournal.com 2009-08-04 08:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't for the world of me remember the title, but I do fondly sort of distantly remember reading a book of his about America under a religious dictatorship.

I also quite liked "The number of the beast", even though that book did mark the beginning of his jump over the shark.

[identity profile] bookzombie.livejournal.com 2009-08-04 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I was on a (very non-serious!) panel at EasterCon this year on 'Classics which aren't' and chose the Lensman books for my rant. I loved these to pieces when I was 12/13 years old and now find them totally unreadable (I've tried several times more recently.)

Somehow I managed to miss the Heinlein juveniles when I was a teenager. The first Heinlein I read was 'Number of the Beast' which left me scarred for life...!
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2009-08-05 07:41 am (UTC)(link)
Go back and read either 'Double Star' or 'Citizen of the Galaxy'. Any Heinlein book over an inch thick is not worth reading. Anything thinner will be a good one. It's a pretty safe rule.

[identity profile] rockwell-666.livejournal.com 2009-08-04 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, the Lensman books are ropey when looked at from our viewpoint, but if you can leave that behind they are some of the quintessential classics of Space Opera and I've read them all more than a few times.

Without them I doubt we'd ever have had Trek which, for all its Treknobabble, like the Lensman books, opened up the universe to a generation of young SF fans with revolutionary ideas they'd never seen before.

BTW I agree about The Moon is a Harsh Mistress being one of my favourite Heinlein's, although I'm not so sure about some of his YA works (and the less said about his later works, apart from Job, the better!) For me, though, some of his best ideas were in his Future History series.

However Doc Smith was writing at a time when there was so little SF out there it was like not just exploring a whole new universe, but inventing it yourself.

[identity profile] jon-a-five.livejournal.com 2009-08-05 10:08 am (UTC)(link)
Of the seven Heinlein's on my bookshelf none of them are the ones recommended here! Maybe that's why I think he's a right wing mysogonist.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2009-08-05 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
Could be. Go away and find a copy of 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' - cracking good tale of the lunar revolution (and a good female character as well).

Then read 'Space Family Stone' for my favourite Heinlein female character of them all - Hazel Meade Stone.