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Judith Proctor ([personal profile] watervole) wrote2011-03-22 08:25 am

Solar in the morning

It's about 8:30am with light cloud.  We're generating 350W at the moment, which is more than we're using.  It was already running around 200W when Richard got up at 7am.

Last night, we hit the point where we were using all we generated around 5:30 (apart from cooking tea which is obviously a higher load) and power generation went to zero around 6pm.

I imagine the real test of the system will be on days with heavy cloud.  And days are much shorter in winter, of course.

We had 13 panels installed, which is the maximum the roof can take.  The economics are very clear on this.  If you're going to have panels at all, you should have as many as you can take.  There's a large fixed cost for things like erecting scaffolding and installing the inverter - to spread the fixed costs over as many panels as possible makes clear sense.  It would not be easy to add more panels at a later date as you'd have to put scaffolding up again.

The interesting question is how much of our electricity usage can be shifted into the daytime.   Washing and vacuuming are obvious ones, but I'm wondering about cooking - which is the really heavy drain on any electricity system (apart from kettles and electric showers).

We don't have an electric shower, but if we did, I'd be showering in the daytime from now on.

I see some possibilities with regard to cooking.  It may be possible to cook things like potatoes earlier in the day and reduce the amount that needs to be cooked in the evening.  (though anyone can save a lot on cooking this kind of thing by using towels on the hay box principle.  Bring your spuds/stew/whatever to the boil and simmer for a few minutes, then turn off the ring, cover the pan/casserole with some thick, fluffy towels and come back when you want to eat it and it will be cooked though, still warm, and never burnt)

[identity profile] robinbloke.livejournal.com 2011-03-22 09:26 am (UTC)(link)
This is very interesting to see how much power you're getting; have you thought about logging info into a spreadsheet or something to see what sort of output you get?
I'd not really considered solar power as viable in this cloudy country of ours but your experiences may well change my mind.
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[identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com 2011-03-22 09:59 am (UTC)(link)
Apparently installing solar in the Orkney's is more effective overall than installing it in southern Italy. The amount of usable sunlight isn't that much lower in the Orkney's but the amount of power consumed is somewhat higher so the ratio of usage to production is better and thus a greater saving as a percentage.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2011-03-22 10:25 am (UTC)(link)
Is that because they use some of the power for heating in the Orkneys?
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[identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com 2011-03-22 11:23 am (UTC)(link)
I presume so, though I don't actually know.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2011-03-22 10:24 am (UTC)(link)
Sadly, I don't have any way of generating a graph - I'm doing all my readings manually. I suspect it won't be long before they produce meters capable of doing this (in fact the latest generation of my OWL energy monitor has a USB port).

I'd wait for a cloudy day before seeing how viable the system is. I'm expecting a dramatic drop in generation then.
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[identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com 2011-03-22 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
Stuff your numbers into Excel or the Open Office equivalent.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2011-03-22 11:39 am (UTC)(link)
That would mean manually taking readings every hour for several weeks. Not really practical.
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[identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com 2011-03-22 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
No, you just take readings as and when, record the date and time you took the reading and enter both items of data into your spreadsheet. Then use a scattergraph (probably smoothed) to plot the data. It won't be as accurate as taking a reading every hour for several weeks, but it should give you a reasonable idea.
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[identity profile] watervole.livejournal.com 2011-03-23 08:26 am (UTC)(link)
Not convinced that a scattergraph is apropriate for data that changes with so many variables. Time of year provides ongoing changes in solar intensity.
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[identity profile] sigisgrim.livejournal.com 2011-03-23 08:52 am (UTC)(link)
Up to you, of course, but I've found a scattergraph excellent for plotting data against random time points.

[identity profile] alex-holden.livejournal.com 2011-03-22 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
You could probably clamp the OWL sensor onto the cable from the inverter to the mains to measure how much power it's generating (as opposed to how much is passing between the house and the grid). Ours is the older model that doesn't have a logging output.

[identity profile] undyingking.livejournal.com 2011-03-23 09:37 am (UTC)(link)
Our inverter has a data-out that you can hook up directly to a PC (although it needs an old-style 9-pin serial cable!) and instruct to provide generation readings at your preferred interval. Yours might have one tucked away somewhere too -- I imagine they're used by the manufacturer in testing.